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Poster: Moongleam Date: Apr 11, 2011 2:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Remove this now

http://www.archive.org/details/TheLastHouseOnTheLeft1972

Every U.S. film released after 1963 is under copyright unless it lacks a valid copyright notice.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffpicfixer Date: Apr 11, 2011 11:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Remove this now

Considering the recent flood of illegal uploads, I'm beginning to smell a rat. Is IA under attack?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDetective John Carter of Mars Date: Apr 12, 2011 4:33pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Remove this now

@recent flood

been since about Fall 2008

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Poster: Frank Panucci Date: Apr 12, 2011 4:39pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Remove this now

Wah huh? SONG OF THE SOUTH and FANTASTIC PLANET have been available in the dark corners of the internet for a long time. They're easy to find, and free, if you're so inclined to avail yourself. Why taint this archive with such things?

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Poster: Freddie Jaye Date: Apr 13, 2011 10:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Remove this now

"Some works haven't been seen nor heard for at LEAST two generations,... so we have grubbers out there willing to prevent the rest of us from this heritage? There aren't enough buyers around to make publishing worth it so the works are STILL kept under wraps jus' because some company wants to hoard it all?"

This is the aspect of copyright that has long perplexed me. Take, for example, "The Shadow". There are over 300 novels in the series and (as far as I know)the only legal way to find them is to dig out a used copy somewhere. Nothing is currently in print, and the owners seem to have no plans to release them ever again. What, then, is the point of maintaining copyright in such cases?

If the holder is not making any money from it, and has no plans to make future money from it, why go to the trouble of keeping it?

Laurel and Hardy are another case. Much of what's available domestically is out-of-print, or repackaged into many little collections. But I could get a 21-disk legal/commercial release of their work--nearly 70 hours of material--from the UK for about $75.

Could someone who understands economics better than I do tell me why these practices make sense?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoah 8-? Date: Apr 12, 2011 5:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

All this hoopla about what is and is not copywrited/copywrighted (sp?).
I am reminded of what a friend usta tell his teenagers, "You want some cheese to go with that whine?"

Some works haven't been seen nor heard for at LEAST two generations,... so we have grubbers out there willing to prevent the rest of us from this heritage? There aren't enough buyers around to make publishing worth it so the works are STILL kept under wraps jus' because some company wants to hoard it all?

When was the last time anyone saw 'Rockabye Baby' with Jerry Lewis? Or, 'Kathy O' ' with Patty McCormack? 'Fantastic Planet'? How 'bout tv series like 'Fury', 'Sky King', 'the original 'Dragnet', My Friend Flicka', or the weekly westerns?

When I saw 'Song of the South' here I glommed it for a fat man. I knew jus' as sure as ground troops follow mortar fire that 'Song of the South' would/could not stay available for long. Here is one of those works which has been censured not by the Academy but the NCAA. Yeah, right.... it's copyrighted.... hasn't been seen nor released for, what, almost 50+ years? two generations?

poo !

I say, let IA alone and go get some cheese!

Noah 8-?

This post was modified by Noah 8-? on 2011-04-12 10:49:40

This post was modified by Noah 8-? on 2011-04-12 12:51:08

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Apr 12, 2011 8:36pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

The hoopla is the fact that the staff and the patrons care about the status of the content here. If this sounds whiney to you than maybe you should visit another site. There's dozens of other sites that host material and aren't to concerned with the status of it, so you might find them more to your liking.

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Poster: The_Master_Cylinder Date: Apr 12, 2011 3:54am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Noah 8-?. That is easily the stupidest rant I've encountered in my life. What makes it worse is that you posted it twice, making you look TWICE as stupid.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoah 8-? Date: Apr 12, 2011 3:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

How's that, again?

8-?

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Poster: jhwilson9 Date: Apr 12, 2011 4:55pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Still funny!
Hang in there, Noah-8?

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Poster: your-name-here Date: Apr 12, 2011 9:42pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

"All this hoopla about what is and is not copywrited/copywrighted (sp?). "

"Yeah, right.... it's copyrighted.... hasn't been seen nor released for, what, almost 50+ years? two generations?"

Noah 8-?

I've heard this kind of thing from others before. Someone will say that the people who are concerned about the copyrights are self righteous, uptight people. It seems like the people who say that don't understand three things.

1. Whether the film is old, not being used, or whatever, if someone owns the copyrights, it doesn't matter. As far as the law goes, it's the same as if it was new. Just like if someone steals my stuff in my basement. It's theft even if the stuff taken was stuff I never used. I'm a packrat, so maybe it's stuff I need to get rid of. Doesn't matter. It's still theft. I can still get uptight and press charges even if I should be thanking the guy for hauling away my crap. Not that the thief would know which crap I don't need...I should probably mark it. The key is under the doormat.

2. "Please contribute books, audio, and video files that you have the right to share. The Internet Archive, a non-profit library, will provide free storage and access to them. (We reserve the right to remove any submitted material.)"
This is what you will see if you click on "Upload."
Archive.org is a site for public domain and creative common type material. It says so from the get go. The site would probably get in trouble if everything that came in were left alone and it filled up with copyrighted stuff. Then it might not be as easy to upload things. Like others here have said, there are other sites that don't care about copyright. If you wanna be a pirate then those are the places to go, not here. To sail your ship or whatever.

3. The people that work for Feature Films shouldn't have to catch the films that don't belong here. They have enough to do already. From what I understand, Feature Films is run by volunteers. Hopefully this is not still completely true and they are getting some $$$ now for their work.
I remember when this part of the site fell flat for a while. I'm not sure what the deal was, but the things people were uploading were going into Open Source instead of Feature Films and were rarely moved. There was someone that was supposed to be in charge, but they seemed like they weren't that involved or were having trouble with something. Some people, myself included, were concerned that this part of the site might be on it's way to shutting down. Maybe it was legal trouble. We weren't hearing anything. Fortunately, something happened. I'm not sure of all of the specifics --maybe someone could fill me in-- but a volunteer or two were allowed to start putting Feature Films back in order. I'm glad it's still here.

This site has a lot of freedom to it. There's a lot of neat stuff here. The whole thing is about freedom of information, expression, etc. The material isn't censored on the basis of quality or taste. There wouldn't be half of what's on here if it was.
I don't think that anyone is a real rebel or is that clever for challenging what rules the site does have. Might as well, like, tell a soaring eagle that it's not free enough because it doesn't swim like a fish. Why not find something to rebel against in a way that matters?

Todd

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Poster: skybandit Date: Apr 13, 2011 1:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Some folks just don't get it, do they? Let me simplify it so Noah 8-?, or even the likes of doowopbob, can understand:
Internet Archive for Public Domain.
Archive get sued for copyright stuff.
Archive get sued, Archive go away.
You like Archive? No upload copyright stuff!
Thus endeth the lesson. Even Tollundism and Splue (One’s a Rabbi, the other's a Policeman. They’re cops…except for the Rabbi) might get it when the drugs wear off :)


This post was modified by skybandit on 2011-04-13 08:58:51

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Apr 13, 2011 4:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Not Quite

IA abides by the safe harbour provisions in the DMCA. They remove a copyrighted object when they are notified. Thats all they have to do to protect themselves. If anyones gets sued it would be the uploader not IA. IA will not go away because of copyrighted uploads.

I am not saying the uploads are a good thing but you cant stop idiots from trying, There are enough eyes here to spot them quickly and alert staff.





This post was modified by Lum Edwards on 2011-04-13 11:15:57

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Apr 13, 2011 5:12am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Actually, IA runs into a little snag here with the safe harbour provisions. Curation operations like moving the items from Community Video to Feature Films, whether they are performed by employees or volunteers, could be used by any half decent lawyer to mount an argument that a level of "contributory infringement" has occured. If the films stay in CV and are not touched by admins safe harbour would work just as it does on unmoderated sites like Youtube.

The curation at IA amounts to an, albeit basic, amount of moderation and, it could easily be argued, endorsement of the uploads. Even if the Archive itself was not held responsible, the individual curator may be held responsible for the infringement along with the uploader.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2011-04-13 12:12:56

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Apr 13, 2011 8:35am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Good point. This supports what I've been saying: copyrighted movies should not be moved to Feature Films!

Before anyone moves a movie, he should remember the following.

Every U.S. film released after 1963 is still under copyright unless it lacks a valid copyright notice, and some that lack a notice are still under copyright.

DO NOT MOVE COPYRIGHTED MOVIES TO FEATURE FILMS!

However, if copyrighted films aren't moved here, how will the regulars in this forum be able to blow the whistle on them?

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Poster: tristero Date: Apr 13, 2011 9:18pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

The catalog task history for ALL of these wrongful moves shows what seems to be the same admin address every time: atarukun44@gmail.com.

So the question, which has been asked before on IA forums, is who the hell is atarukun44@gmail.com and why is he or she moving things around in a way that shows such reckless disregard for IA's core mission?

I have a suspicion that maybe "atarukun44" shows up in the logs because the account is being invoked by some automated process, e.g., the "just move everything" batch, which some one needs to turn off. It's out of control.

Unless it's really atarukun44 him or herself that's out of control...



This post was modified by tristero on 2011-04-14 04:18:01

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Poster: k-otic Date: Apr 14, 2011 3:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

looks like that this guy has hacked the archive
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=atarukun44

almost 8000 items and most of them show

The item is not available due to issues with the item's content.

ii think he and his pals have still access them some how

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Apr 14, 2011 3:57pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

atarukun44 is one of the main curators here. He has been moving stuff for years so 8000 objects wouldnt be abnormal. He moves stuff from open source to where they ought to go. Thats allows the forum experts to spot violations. He is a nice guy and not up to anything other than weeding out things from open source i am sure. Seems to me he was the first to help sometime back when we lost Ken our main mod thoughout most of the groups and nothing was getting done.



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Poster: tristero Date: Apr 14, 2011 4:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Well, I certainly don't mean to cast aspersions on hard-working mods, but there is a serious problem here. At the very least, IA's administrative processes for deleting copyrighted material seem to be fundamentally broken. Copyrighted stuff is getting moved with no request, and then NOT getting deleted even after multiple requests from knowledgeable users.

The Leo Frank doc is particularly galling. Stealing from PBS...that is *low*.



This post was modified by tristero on 2011-04-14 23:58:17

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Poster: k-otic Date: Apr 15, 2011 12:55am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Smelling a Rat? You Betchum Red Ryder!

Yeah sorry, my post was stupid